My Philosophy on Fuel Dumping

I know many people have come to visit this blog because they see my posts in the “Trick It!” thread on MilePoint. In fact, one of the reasons I started Hack My Trip was because I usually get a few messages every week from people asking if I have any insight into how to get started on fuel dumping or if I know of a 3X that will work on their desired itinerary. I don’t know if this post will encourage or discourage those people, but I want to make it clear that I realize this subject has complicated ethical implications. It exists in a legal gray area, and the amount of effort required for a payoff makes many existing members of this group concerned about how open we should be to training new people.

Fuel dumping is a method by which a fuel surcharge on an international fare is removed through the addition of one or more additional unrelated segments. Because of IATA (International Air Transport Association) rules that few people understand completely, the combination of certain flights and carriers causes the fuel surcharge to be all or partially eliminated. Although you still have to pay for the additional segment (called a “3X” or “third strike” because it is the third flight and you “strike” it by not flying) the added cost of a good 3X is much less than the savings of not paying for a fuel surcharge of $300-500.

This is one of the most challenging tricks out there, and it doesn’t help that so much of the information people share online is in code, so let me address each of those concerns and explain the reason why I persist in helping people get started in this field. I am doing this now to prepare you for when I start to explain fuel dumping more thoroughly, probably in February. Everything I’m posting before that time, such as the instructions on using ITA last week, are part of your preparation.

That doesn’t mean you can’t use those tools for ordinary travel, too, but we all know not to put inexperienced drivers behind the wheel of a sports car. ;)

First, fuel dumping is difficult because you are essentially using the airlines’ automated computer systems against them. When fares involving several airlines are automatically priced and ticketed, there are rules about which one of those airlines is responsible for collecting the revenue. This airline then doles it out to the other airlines on which you actually fly.

Fortunately for us, the ticketing airline gets to decide whether it wants to collect that fuel surcharge. Airline X might assign a $100 base fare and $400 fuel surcharge, but if airline Y collects the money, it might only charge $100 for that portion of the itinerary, and that’s all it has to hand over.

The rules for assembling a tricked itinerary are not as clear as you might think, and many times when you find a 3X that ought to work it can raise the base fare by pushing you into a different fare class due to restrictions on fare combinability. Even if the 3X successfully removes the fuel surcharge, a higher base fare is going to void some or all of the savings.

Anyway, we’ll get to how to create a tricked fare in later weeks. What I really need to discuss is the importance of the secrecy.

DesertRose, another major contributor to fuel dumping education on MilePoint, pointed out a schism in how different people view maintaining a shroud of secrecy and exclusivity:

Group 1: People who regard FDs as an elaborate set of tools and knowledge to be earned through work and preserved from outsiders.
Group 2: People who think tricks are like error fares, something posted by a miracle and then exploited until it’s gone.

I argue that neither of these approaches is healthy. Group 1 creates a hostile elite class that discourages new entrants because it dilutes the pool of rewards. People are expected to become experts on their own and then join the group as a full-fledged contributor. Group 2, however, would quickly drain that pool of rewards faster than it can be replenished. Overexploited tricks are quickly identified and shut down, which is why Group 1 works furiously to maintain the secrecy lest anyone from Group 2 (usually less experienced people) figure out what’s going on and start sharing indiscriminately.

It’s a form of class warfare, and what we are faced with is a tragedy of the commons. Fuel dumping can be a lucrative endeavor for everyone as long as the practice is controlled and not overused.

Secrecy and codes are used to make it harder for non-contributors to swoop down and seize the deals without bothering to learn anything about how the process works. We don’t want people to search on Google for “cheap fare to Europe” and find a thread where it spells out exactly which flights and carriers to use for a $250 ticket to Paris.

Make no mistake, the airlines know about what we’re doing, and they could kill the practice easily if they really wanted to (they’ve killed tricks overnight in the past). The reason they don’t is either because they haven’t identified which particular fares are being dumped at any given time or because it isn’t worth the effort to save a few thousand dollars a month. This is a game of Whac-A-Mole. They will certainly notice and care if it any particular trick rises above the rest and stays there long enough to be hit on the head.

Unlike a mistake fare, which is only good on that specific fare and SHOULD be exploited and shared by everyone before it disappears, a good trick can be used on many different fares and can survive for months or years. If the 3X is overused, however, it will no longer be good for anyone. A good collection of 3Xs should be tended and cared for like a garden.

Code is used in online forums, such as claiming you were able to use “The Spruce Goose” to dump 80% YQ from C1-C2. Usually a cute name is all you get to figure out the fuel dump, but it’s not much harder than The New York Times’ Sunday crossword puzzle. As for C1-C2, those are continent codes. Because the 3X is often valid on several city pairs, all the information you really need is that it’s good on flights between the U.S. (C1) and Europe (C2). “YQ” or “YR” is the code airlines use to denote the fuel surcharge. Maybe the trick only works on a few city pairs, but the poster has narrowed it down enough that you can find it. If you can’t afford to spend some time figuring out the code, then you must be making $200 per hour at the office.

This code is enough to fool Google and the people who are just looking for a random cheap fare. Should one of them come across it, they won’t understand it and will move on—just like I did when I first stumbled across FlyerTalk’s fuel dumping thread in 2009. If you are serious about learning to fuel dump like a pro, you’ll have patience and stick it out, which I later did in 2010. At 16,500 posts and counting, it’s a long read, but I’ve done it. MilePoint is much friendlier, but I will admit that FlyerTalk is the expert version.

As for helping others, I strongly believe that adding people to the group will help develop more and better 3Xs. I also strongly believe that those who are included need to respect the efforts of those who came before them. For this reason, there are some rules you must follow to play this game:

  1. Don’t call the airlines! We don’t care if you want a seat assignment, an upgrade, or need to handle a schedule change. You should expect that an agent would see what you’ve done, cancel your ticket, and kill the deal. If you can process a seat assignment or upgrade online (like a United systemwide upgrade) that’s okay, but do not let anyone from an airline see what you’ve done. If you need to rebook, sorry, your money is gone. I don’t know of any people who have successfully rebooked or refunded a dumped itinerary because that means talking to an agent.
  2. Don’t call the airlines! Do I really need to repeat myself?
  3. If someone yells “stop!” pay attention and edit your post as appropriate. Discussions can get VERY heated on these forums, and when you’re in the business of trading secrets, you don’t want any enemies.
  4. Use code so that you don’t expose other people’s tricks. For all you know, someone else already published it using a code you couldn’t figure out, so even if you think you found something novel, don’t risk the chance that you’re wrong.
  5. Don’t use code when you ask questions. As long as you’re not revealing sensitive information, it’s quite fine to ask for help tricking a fare from New York to London. That’s not hurting anyone, and no one wants to spend time figuring out what you’re trying to ask. But if you wish to mention the tricks you’ve already tried, make sure those are still coded.
Yes, this is all a lot like Fight Club.

I hope this post makes clear what you can expect from me when I start to discuss fuel dumping. I will help you get started, showing you how to look for a 3X and assemble and book a dumped itinerary. However, I won’t be sharing any working tricks. This is an instructional guide ONLY! People will learn one way or another and should learn to do it right so it doesn’t ruin the game for the rest of us. At least, that’s what I hope will happen. It’s always a pleasure to see people who get some early help succeed beyond your expectations and become a frequent contributor to the group discussion. More often people reach a competent but less spectacular level of ability.

Readers, what do you think about my philosophy? I’m always open to suggestions because, as I’ve said, this is a shared resource. I don’t think you can convince me not to share anything, but it’s always useful to know where people draw the line.

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  • Chris McMahon

    What a great find. I’ve been on FT for almost 7 years and I am tired of the “hostile elite class” as you call them.
    I am not a newbie but have only FD’d once in Feb 2011 on a SFO-EZE fare with the 13 miler. Back then it worked fantastically, saving two of us over $800.
    Thanks for the clearly written and generous blog.

    • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

      Chris,
      Not all of them are that bad, but there is certainly a culture difference. It’s good to hear you were able to make the 13 Miler work. There used to be an excellent 3X out of SEA that would work with UA flights to Europe, but sadly it died right before I learned how it worked. It isn’t like the generous people haven’t been burned either, but we do appreciate respect for the codes.

  • Downrigger

    Great information, look forward to learning more so I can research and locate on my own, code and share as well.

  • faye

    I have spent 30-50 hours per week for the last 3 months reading everything I can on both trick treads. Finally things are starting to click (the brain isn’t as fast as it used to be) but I still have some gaps. I hope to learn some things from you.

    • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

      Faye,
      It takes a lot of time, not just reading but also digesting the information. Even I’m not as up-to-speed as I’d like to be since I’ve been working on this blog and other things at lab, but the basics are all the same. Anyone can learn or catch up even if the tricks keep changing, so keep at it.

  • WINGEDWORLDEXPLORER

    YOU WRITE:MilePoint is much friendlier, but I will admit that FlyerTalk is the expert version. FT is 90 % garbage 10 % substance. What does that make MILEPOINT. You forget that people who have spent thousands of hours developing and honing their skills are facing real economic loss when some newbie screws up by calling the airline and the trick gets closed. We live in profit greedy America and somehow we are expected perform an act ( disclosure) which has NO UPSIDE and only possibility of downside. Most of the top contributors on FT travel dozens and dozens of flights segments each year.

    And may I ask how did these people get to where they are anyways. Every ( Expert) was a Newbie once.Maybe you will earn some money by fooling someone into thinking that you are providing them the easy route to cheap travel.BTW: What is your name on FT. I am not even sure you are among the top 20-30 people there, so what substance can you provide these people when you have not been able to do it on FT.

    As to the 13 miler. Who identified it and who named it the ” 13 Miler” and who explained how it worked ? You probably guessed it ! !

    AND GUESS WHAT – the 13 miler works again but for different carriers on different routes and on different sites. Go figure.

    You forget that there are multiple other ways of earning huge amounts of miles, sometimes with NO or very little cash outlay.
    and what about the miles you earn. Isn’t it critical to minimize the amount of miles you use and the maximum amount of travel you obtain for each mile spent. How about flying around the world for less miles than you use to get from New York to London. You are totally unable to help your clients on that front. Go Ahead publish ALL you know. It won’t make a difference anyway.

    • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

      WorldWingedExplorer,
      You are, without doubt, one of the best fuel dumpers out there. And I’m not trying to sound patronizing; you really are. You make many good points about the fact that there is little or no reward for those like me who help beginners.

      However, I would like to respond to some of your criticisms. (1) I haven’t forgotten that some people, especially you, have spent lots of time learning to do this well. That’s why I am constantly telling beginners not to screw it up by calling the airline, etc. In addition, if a beginner figures this out on his own, what’s to stop him from feeling resentful toward people like you and blabbing to his friends? I think my gentler approach might work better. (2) I have not been active on FlyerTalk for well over a year, so my status there is irrelevant. (3) You did discover the 13 miler. And you were very helpful with your hints. All I’ve ever given people are the same hints without forcing them to read 10,000 posts to find them. (4) I make no money off of this site, though I’ve put a few hundred dollars into getting it running. All of my help is free, and there is no advertising. Since you would like to criticize the quality of my assistance, I remind you that I have already pointed people to sources that are more authoritative but may cost more than they’re willing to pay. (5) As for the existence of other ways to earn huge amounts of miles, that isn’t the point of my site at all. I am not the biggest fan of earning and spending free miles. I talk about it occasionally because I think it’s important not to waste easy opportunities, but I created this site to help people make better travel purchases in general.

    • Graham

      Wow. You’re a jackass. Enjoy all of your miles. They’re no substitute for friends. I thought Scott was quite nice in his reply. Too nice actually.

    • blackandwhite

      I’ve been calling the airlines and giving them the URLs to all the sites that reference fuel dumping. I know that someone as principled as yourself will appreciate this given your lofty opinions of the fruit of hard work (apparently only your own) and getting nothing for free. Could you be a bigger hypocrite? You are nothing but a self-righteous thief.

  • http://thefrequentmiler.com Frequent Miler

    Nice post! I’m looking forward to reading more!

  • Irishbcn

    Apologies if this question annoys some people. I’m looking at a trip from Europe to South America on AA and am only managing to fuel dump about €100. Is this what it is expected or should it be possible to dump more?

    Thank you.

    • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

      Sometimes you can’t dump anything. Finding better 3Xs happens with practice.

  • Really

    I really don’t understand your philosophy on this whole subject. When you describe group 1) you sound condescending, yet you go on to say you won’t share any working tricks essentially putting yourself into the same group that you describe and having an incorrect view on the subject. You state in another post that basically you should not advertise this, especially to the airlines or anyone affiliated with them. Then, you go on to create an entire site dedicated to it. I’m not sure if you are looking to make some money, some pats on the back / attention, or what. If you were simply wanting to help newbies to the subject, then post the working tricks you know. That will be the most helpful for them. By creating more advertisement for the subject, spelling everything out you are doing way more harm than good. Inevitably, the more people that learn about it, the more likely there is to be a bad apple that spoils the fun. Unfortunately, it seems you are one of those. There is already plenty of information out there for newbies to learn from, which is exactly how you learned in the first place. I think there is a fine balance with the subject, and you are absolutely correct with one regard. To assume airlines don’t know is ridiculous. However, to assume they wouldn’t shut it down immediately if it became a bigger issue for them is even more ridiculous. There are probably countless people who helped you a long the way, with the thought that you would continue as they did with not divulging everything and it appears you are slapping them in the face. I can only hope they cut you off from their information to keep you from doing the community any more harm than you already plan on doing. You rationalization for doing what you are seems strange as well. You’ve stated that there are already websites and forums with information on them that people can Google. That is true. But, that seems like a very strange way of looking at something. I’ll put it in a not so perfect example: viruses/scripts. There are plenty of websites where you can go and download hacking tools or viruses. Just because there are sites out there that you can already Google and find information on, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing for me to create a website and outline where those are and how to use them. I understand the flaw in this argument, and in no way is what you are writing comparable to a virus but I can’t think of another example off hand and you can at least understand my point from it.

    For the record, I have plenty of working tricks for every region I need to go, so I hope you don’t actually post any working ones. The ones I have, I found.

    • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

      I introduce people to the basics of fuel dumping so they can figure out the rest on their own. The difference between me and the first group, which you think I am condescending toward, is that they don’t want to share anything, not even the definition of “3X.” I don’t think the second group is any better, which might want to share everything, like specific flight numbers and dates. I think some things can be shared up to a limit, and I try to be careful not to go into specifics that will kill particular tricks. I have been at this for over a year at MilePoint and now here, and the hammer hasn’t fallen yet. I think I’ve managed to keep the disclosure to a minimum.

      As for my warning about not advertising your intentions to airline personnel, my point there is that you should not attract unnecessary attention to your specific itinerary. If you ask for an upgrade, or a flight change, or do anything similar, an agent might notice that the YQ was not paid and you could end up in a sticky situation. What I’ve done, creating a website that discusses some basics of fuel dumping (and mine is not the first such site) is entirely different. Airlines know that fuel dumping exists. They’re not stupid. Nothing I’ve shared here is giving them any special insight into how to kill it off.

      I would advise people who disagree with my blog to avoid visiting and posting angry comments. It only attracts more people.

      • Really

        Don’t misconstrue my post as angry, it’s very far from it. I just wanted to comment with my thoughts on the subject and how I thought some of your views on it were flawed. I’m not saying I’m right, or you are wrong. I’m just offering my opinion. I admittedly have an overly romanticized view of the community. The biggest problem I have is people that take, but do not contribute. I think helping people learn who are going to be contributing members is a good thing. I think helping newbies in general is a good thing, I just don’t think how you are going about it is the right way. You are right, there are plenty of other websites out there, I just wouldn’t want to contribute to that personally. Understandably, your views can be and are very different, which is what makes the world go round. Just so I can agree on one point, I think you are right and the people that won’t even say what 3X is… well dumb. I just think you’ve gone a little too far in the other direction. Sorry if my original post came off angry, re-reading it the post was ruder than my intentions were.

        • http://hackmytrip.com Scottrick

          Thank you for the polite reply. Very few people are actually interested in a discussion on the limits of disclosure. You are welcome to contact me by email if you have specific suggestions on how I should revise my content.

  • Alohastephen

    Thank you for the basics.
    I realize the slippery slope that information can become here.
    I have tried and given up several times trying to put together a Q dump in the past but I do hope to learn more and become a valued contributer in the future.
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