Why You Shouldn’t Use a Southwest Credit Card

In the past few days, I’ve talked to family members who travel rarely and friends who travel every week. They all love Southwest Airlines, and most have a Southwest Airlines Visa credit card. I tell each of them to cancel that card and get a Sapphire Preferred Visa instead.

Both cards are offered by Chase, and in some cases these people already held both cards–a clear case of unnecessary overlap. Often the people I know who prefer to fly Southwest do so because of the simplicity. Easy customer service, easy fares, and an easy rewards program, as I outlined yesterday. If you want to keep things simple, a Sapphire Preferred card is the way to go (other than a cash back card, but that often has a poor return). The Sapphire Preferred will also earn you more Rapid Rewards points from a larger variety of purchases.

Ultimate Rewards Points Transfer to Southwest Rapid Rewards …and Everyone Else

This is the number one thing to remember throughout this post. The Ultimate Rewards points earned from a Sapphire Preferred card can be transfered instantly at a 1:1 ratio to Rapid Rewards. When you earn an Ultimate Rewards point, it is like earning a Rapid Rewards point, so all the other math after this will consider them identical: just points.

But also remember an Ultimate Rewards point can be used for lots of other things if you prefer. You can transfer them to United or Avios for international awards. You can transfer them to Hyatt or Marriott or Priority Club for hotels. You can do this with Southwest points, too, but at a fixed value, meaning X number of points = Y dollars. The benefit of other rewards programs is that you can sometimes redeem a relatively small number of points for a very expensive flight or hotel.

Finally, you can consolidate your Ultimate Rewards points into a single account. My family consolidates points in my account to pay me back for flights I book them through United Airlines, for example. Megan and I also have multiple cards that earn Ultimate Rewards points (not just the Sapphire Preferred), and so we take those points every couple months and put them in one spot.

Sapphire Preferred Earns in More and in More Categories

The Southwest Rapid Rewards Visa earns 2 points per dollar on all purchases through Southwest.com, whether you are purchasing Southwest flights or reserving a hotel or car through a Southwest partner. Everything else earns 1 point per dollar.

The Sapphire Preferred Visa earns a 7% dividend on all points earned each year. So before we can even start, you have to factor that in. You’ll earn 2 points per dollar on ALL travel, including flights, hotels, train tickets, parking, cruises–you name it. And it doesn’t matter where or how you purchase it. Multiple by 7% and you’re really earning 2.14 points per dollar. You’ll also earn that 2.14 points per dollar at all restaurants and for catering, too. Everything else earns 1 point per dollar, which will end up as 1.07 points per dollar after the dividend.

But wait, you can do better. Book flights and hotels or purchase merchandise through the Ultimate Rewards shopping portal and you’ll not only earn your typical 2.14 or 1.07 points per dollar, you’ll also earn whatever bonus points are provided by the shopping portal.

Potentially Lower Annual Fee

The Southwest Rapid Rewards Premier card, which offers an opportunity to earn tier qualifying points toward A-List status, has an annual fee of $99. The Southwest Rapid Rewards Plus card, which does not include this perk, has an annual fee of $69. Otherwise they’re mostly the same. The Chase Sapphire Preferred has an annual fee of only $95. This is $4 less than the Premier card, and only $26 more than the Plus card. In my mind, these differences a small enough that they are not worth worrying about, and you shouldn’t worry about having to pay a higher annual fee to get all the additional benefits that come with a Sapphire Preferred card.

I will admit, however, that some people will want those tier qualifying points that you can earn with the Premier card. All I can say is more power to you. They seem expensive to earn at 1,500 per $10,000 spent, so you’ll need to put a lot of purchases on that card to make a meaningful contribution toward your elite status.

The Final Message

In short, you are guaranteed to earn at least a little more, and sometimes a lot more, points on the same purchases that you would make with the Southwest card, and you can do a lot more with them. But you can still turn those Ultimate Rewards points into Rapid Rewards points if you want. I’m not here to argue that Rapid Rewards is a bad program–in fact it’s a very good one. But I don’t think the Southwest Rapid Rewards Visa is a card that belongs in your wallet given that another Chase product can do as good a job or better.

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  • Gene

    Because bloggers hate Southwest? ;-)

  • KateFromCA

    You are right about not putting spend on the Southwest card; however, I strongly disagree with the advice to cancel it.

    Having the Southwest card allows you to use your Rapid Rewards points to book hotels and cars (http://www.southwest.com/morerewards), which is the benefit I value highly (I am always short on points that can be used to book rental cars). Just that alone is worth keep the card in my mind – besides, the $99 annual fee is offset by 6,000 points ($100 value in Wanna Get Away tickets).

    • Scottrick

      Fair enough. My family members detest card churning and will use any excuse to cancel a card. They kept asking: “Which one do I cancel?”

      I was also under the impression you could still use the points to book hotels and cars with a different card as long as you had a Rapid Rewards account, i.e., any member of their frequent flyer program could use this benefit, not just card holders. If the card is necessary, then that should factor into any decision.

      • KateFromCA

         From what i see on the page, it looks like you do have to have one of the Southwest cards from Chase. I can’t really check if not having it gives you access, because I do have it :)

        http://www.southwest.com/morerewards

        • Scottrick

          I’m curious if, since both cards are operated by Chase, perhaps what is happening is that Chase is actually converting the Rapid Rewards points to Ultimate Rewards points and then redeeming them through the Ultimate Rewards program to provide these other opportunities. After all, if I can transfer UR to RR, then why could Chase do the reverse behind the scenes?

          • Colin Lowenberg

            Scott, it’s possible. They have the same conversion rates. 5,000 for $50 gift cards. 

          • Scottrick

            If you join me in Vegas, Colin, I’ll have to ask to take a look at your account. ;) Without a Southwest Visa of my own, I’m unable to look at some of these redemption opportunities.

    • http://pointstopointb.wordpress.com/ AKold

      The annual point bonus is probably the main reason to keep this card, if you actually fly Southwest.

      For a normal family (that isn’t going to do card churning), one Sapphire Preferred + several Chase Freedoms that earn 5x would help, but the Southwest card pretty much pays for itself if you use the points.

  • Patrick M

    The only thing you missed is that the Southwest Credit Card points count towards companion pass, whereas points transferred in from Ultimate Rewards do not. While this probably won’t matter to most card holders, I travel on Southwest Business Select flights frequently for work and when you add the points I earn for that travel to the 50,000 bonus I got for signing up for the card, I am slightly shy of the 110,000 needed for companion pass. The Southwest Card will make up the difference for me to earn companion pass for next year which will be extremely valuable. However, once I earn enough points for the companion pass I will likely be cancelling the Southwest Card in favor of the Sapphire Preferred. 

    • http://www.travelbypoints.com/ Jimmy @TravelByPoints

      I was just going to comment on this. In addition, once you have earned CP, the $99 fee you pay for the premier card actually turns into a $200 value.

      • Patrick M

        Good to know. So you would keep it past the date of the annual fee in order to get the 6,000 points (the $200 value)? I was mostly thinking of cancelling it if I was not approved for the Sapphire Preferred to transfer the credit over. But I just got approved for a rather large balance on the British Airways card for their 100k points promo as well so I am thinking approval may not be an issue.

        • Scottrick

          It’s only worth $200 if you have a companion pass ($100 for yourself from points, another $100 for the companion).

          In general, I do not recommend canceling any card with Chase right before applying for a new one. And if you already paid the fee, there’s no reason to decide whether to cancel until the next year’s fee becomes due. If you want to apply for the Sapphire, do that first, and only close the Southwest account if your application is rejected and you need to negotiate. Even if the Sapphire is approved with a small balance, you could keep the Southwest card open but transfer most of your open credit line to the new card. Generally Chase’s minimum credit line is only $500.

        • http://www.travelbypoints.com/ Jimmy @TravelByPoints

          Yes, I’d pay $99 to keep it if I plan to take full advantage of the CP. If the fee is due soon and you have been using the card a lot, it doesn’t hurt to try and ask for a retention bonus, too. As for your Sapphire Preferred, you could always transfer some credit from your BA card.

  • xzolian

    The Southwest Plus card has an annual bonus of 3,000 points (~$50) and the Southwest Premier card has a bonus of 6,000 points (~$100). Does the Sapphire have any annual bonuses?

    • Scottrick

      The Sapphire has it’s 7% dividend, which makes the comparison complicated. Southwest’s renewal bonus has value roughly equal to the annual fee. With Sapphire, you’d have to earn ~70,000 UR points each year to earn a large enough bonus to cover the fee (assuming UR points are worth 2 cents each). I think this is not too difficult to do given the double points on all travel and restaurants. You can also earn more points on purchases through the UR mall.

      However, this also reduces the advantage of the Sapphire if you can’t reach 70,000 earned points since it doesn’t completely balance the annual fee. Personally, I value the flexibility of the UR points and would be wiling to pay the difference of $20-40 a year if I earn only 50K or 30K points.

  • Adam G

    No love for the Southwest Companion Pass, via two cards plus $10k? -One card alone wholly validates your position, but how can you not mention the two card “magic trick” to get a companion pass which is like the infamous little pot of gold

    • Scottrick

      I mentioned that in yesterday’s post. I had good things to say about RR then, and I agreed the signups were a good deal. My point today is that I don’t believe the Southwest Visa is a good long-term card for spending (except for some exceptions as we’ve been hashing out this morning).

      • Adam G

        My apology for not reading yesterday’s! -That gives me a nice “whew” It’s been a live saver for me [the companion pass] and outside of that your post here gets amens from me. 

  • Stan

    Interesting read. I applied and was approved for a SW Chase card 7/11 for 50,000 points and cancelled it just last week. I know I should use it for flight tickets but right now I want to redeem amazon gift cards. Since I am not a cardmember anymore, I don’t think I can use it for gift cards. What are my options? Should I apply for the SW business card just so I can be a cardmember again or is it too soon since I just cancelled my card last week? Thanks

    • Scottrick

      No, I don’t believe you can use it for gift cards. If you do not hold a Southwest credit card, your only choice is to use it for Southwest flights. You can apply for another card in the future to regain access to other options. There are two personal cards (Premier and Plus) so you could apply for the other one from what you had if you don’t want to try for a business card.

      It’s not necessarily too soon to apply again. The greatest danger from canceling a card is that your total available credit and number of open accounts will decrease. This potentially hurts your credit score, but the effect is lower if you already have a lot of open accounts and credit. Assuming you can be patient, you might want to wait a month or two to let the effects of the closing wear off just to be safe.

  • Jen

    Canceling credit cards adversely affects your credit rating.

    • Scottrick

      There are lots of reasons canceling a card drops your score, but the effect is usually temporary. I don’t think people should cancel a card just for the heck of it. I’ve made that mistake before. But I do find it annoying to carry cards that I don’t need, and I don’t like calling the bank each year to negotiate a fee. If I’m not willing to pay after the first year, it goes into the trash.

      I have a stable of cards that I applied for FIRST and which I do plan to keep every year, so my average account age and available credit will stay relatively high despite canceling younger cards.

  • onezerofive

    I’m pretty stupid on the subject matter… so this may be a dumb question… Will I earn rapid reward points (on either card) by paying bills? So (for example), could I pay my rent through this card (instead of my bank), get the rewards for the “purchase”, then just pay off the card immediately? Do you still get the rewards of you payoff the purchase right away? — again, completely dumb on the subject matter…

    • Scottrick

      You can get points for paying your rent or other bills with the card. However, the problem is that your landlord may not accept a credit card as payment. There are services that take care of this for you, like WilliamPaid, which basically charge your card (plus a fee) and write the check on your behalf.

      Another option is to buy gift cards, assign a PIN, and load them onto a Bluebird prepaid card at a Walmart store. Bluebird has a check-writing feature that allows you to write checks that will be debited against the account.

      http://hackmytrip.com/2013/04/modifying-my-strategy-for-manufactured-spend/